• Hello guest! Are you an Apistogramma enthusiast? If so we invite you to join our community and see what it has to offer. Our site is specifically designed for you and it's a great place for Apisto enthusiasts to meet online. Once you join you'll be able to post messages, upload pictures of your fish and tanks and have a great time with other Apisto enthusiasts. Sign up today!

bitaeniatas all around (sorry, might be image heavy)

rasmusW

Active Member
Hi all!

I thought i share a few glimpes of my brand new 75 liter tank, for my "new" bitaeniatas (they are kids from my first pair, where the big male and dad sadly died around october).
Plus i got a few questions regarding some of the bitaeniatas in one of the other tanks.

But first a little background story...


In november, i all of a sudden spotted one of my young female bitaes with fry and not long after three more followed. Which ofcause was exiting, but not really what i had planned for, since they where all in my 54 liter tank, which was only meant a small grow out tank.
So i convinced myself and my wife to buy another tank (first part wasn't so hard... hehe).

So far the new has been running for around 3 weeks and i already got new free swimming fry, so i take it that they have settled in and like they new sorroundings.
The pair share the tank with 6 amadae tetras.. I like to add some nanostrommus eques some day.
Here's a few pics...
IMG_5253.jpgIMG_5256.jpgIMG_5267.jpg

-And now for the questions part...

After splitting the new pair from the rest of the females, one went back to the 54 liter, with her small batch of cool kids and the other three got in the tank with my two old females.
Now, this evening i spotted one of the females in the "all female tank" in full breeding dress, which made me wonder....
I know that both of the old females, previously had more or less succesful spawns. One did and the not..
I'm 89% sure i only put females in the tank... -but maybe not, though i can't spot any male characteristics in any of them.
The "not so succesful old female" is the only one allowed to get even a slight bit close to the cave.
Here's a picture of the female... -I will try to get pics of all the supposed females of the tank.
IMG_5259.jpg

Could the old female infact be a long time sneaker male, who just stole fry back when she was having? -or can apistos do a sex change? -there is ofcause also that one of the other small females is the sneaker....
The largest of the old females and also the one that gets allowed to get close is around 7-8cm long. The other oldie is 6cm and the young ones is around 4cm.

I hope you understood any of this (i'm not completely sure i did... heheheh) -and can help sorting out whats up and down.. -if not, i mighr have to call Sherlock or Hercule Poirot, to help me out..

-r
 

Andy452

New Member
Hi rasmasW,
Firstly the new tank looks great, seems very natural I'm sure the pair in there with their new fry are very happy!

I'm no expert on bitaeniatas nor on ID of apisto species but from you description
The "not so succesful old female" is the only one allowed to get even a slight bit close to the cave.
and also
The largest of the old females and also the one that gets allowed to get close is around 7-8cm long.
does kind of sound like male / pair behavior

Here's a picture of the female... -I will try to get pics of all the supposed females of the tank.
IMG_5259.jpg
Is this the female that has gone into breeding dress? or the female suspected to be male? This photo to me looks like a female

Do bitaeniatas males have distinctive physical characteristics? extended rays or finage? more coloration? Any evidence of that on the suspected possible sleeper male?

Lets see what others have to say.

//Andy
 

rasmusW

Active Member
Thanks Andy!

Yeah! Bitaeniata males show extended caudal fin tips aswell as first 3-4-ish dorsal rays.
The one in the picture is the small female.
females are smaller and as far as i can see, have a bigger black mark on their ventral fins. But you are absolutely right, the big one is the joker here. It has the size of a male, but doesn’t show the extended fin tips.
Yesterday after writing the first post i spotted the two fish try to get into the Cave together... odd... but it must be an old sneaker male.

-r
 
Top