Please ID.

[Daisy14]

Hello, i'm new here. And forgive me for my poor Englisch. I've bought this fish with the name Wilhelmi. But i now know it isn't. Can you help me with the identivication? Its either a agassizzi, tefe or net.
Firts pic is the female i think. She is about 3 cm. Yellow mostly.
Second pic the large male, about 5,5 cm. He has a piontend tail. You can see the collors
Third pic is off both male. The smaller one is about 4,5 cm and his tail isn't that pionted, more round.

I hope some one can tell me whate these are.
Thank you!

 

[Mike Wise]

Well, the mature males are A. agassizii; probably A. cf. agassizii (Netz/Net). I hate to say it, but your 3 cm 'female' might be a young male. The dark band around the caudal fin us unusual in females of the A. agassizii superspecies.

 

[Daisy14]

Mike Wise, I,m sorry but the picture is a bit distorted due to the background. The tail is transparent with a shiny red. She is yellow. this is another pic, with her vriend (??). We bought her white the big male. The male is now about 6 cm. This one is about 3. Do you still think this is a male?

 

[Mike Wise]

Yes, the top fish probably is a female. Such is the curse of domestic-bred, color enhanced apistos; everything is so altered that it's hard to sex the fish at times. BTW the width of the lateral band is very odd. It reminds me more of the lateral band seen on pulchra-complex species.

 

[Daisy14]

I think that i can id it know. Could this be an Apistogramma cf. agassizi Cachoeira?

 

[Mike Wise]

New name to me. Where did you find this??

 

[Daisy14]

http://apisto.sites.no martin and toms homepage.

 

[Mike Wise]

Can you tell me where on the site it's listed? Checked Tom's site and couldn't find it.

 

[Daisy14]

Select apistogramma on the left side on the page, then select

A 235 Apistogramma cf. agassizii ("Netz", Alenquer)
And the 2 and 3 picture gives the name.

 

[Mike Wise]

OK, then you mean A. cf. agassizii (Netz/Net), a form found north of the Amazon from the Rio Negro to at least the Rio Jari (Amapa state). Cachoeira is Brazilian Portugese for 'rapids' and probably is a commercial name and not a location. As I originally wrote, "... probably A. cf. agassizii (Netz/Net) ...". Unless you know for certain where it was collected, I wouldn't give it a name other than 'A. agassizii'. The female, however, probably is A. sp. Wilhelmi/Abacaxis, which is a member of the pulchra-complex.

 

[Daisy14]

Youre absolutely right. Tom tought that it might be apist. gephyra. But it is so difficult for us to see.
Do you realy think the female might be a wilhelmi? And her friend, is that a female too? We've spoken with the sellor and we can return the apist. We only do this if we are sure of what is male and what is female. We now have to many males and the stress level in the tank is to high.

 

[Daisy14]

 

[Mike Wise]

I'm fairly certain that the one fish is a species in the pulchra-complex. I'm not positive that it is A. sp. Abacaxis/Wilhelmi, however. The fish below her probably is a female of an agassizii-complex species, but might be an immature male. The bottom fish in the post above is definitely a male, probably A. cf. agassizii (Netz/Net). I am not certain of the sex of the other fish. How large is it?

 

[Daisy14]

The fish in picture 1, and 5 (the one belowe), and 6 are the same. It is now about 3cm. It is growing very slow. The other two grown much faster and are about 6/7 cm.