Need a positive ID "again"

[chris1932]

Need a positive ID "again" UPDATED PICS

Hello everyone. Its me again. And again I have a fish I am just not sure of. I think it may be Cruzi or something along those lines.

Male

Female

The female has always looked dark.

 

[a.d.wood]

Have to admit, the images of the male remind me more of Apistogramma sp. Pebas (or at least 1 of the many variations that belong here).

Andrew

 

[Lolojil]

I agree with Andrew, A. sp "Pebas" :wink: .

 

[Mike Wise]

It's really hard to say based on these photos. If you could send some photos of the female that show her in a broadside orientation - so I can see her caudal spot better - it would be very helpful. Right now, I tend to agree with the others, that it is A. sp. Pebas but it might also be A. sp. Putumayo. These fish (Pebas, Papagei, & Putumayo) are all closely related.

 

[chris1932]

It is going to get hard to take a good picture of the female. She is inside a chunk of driftwood tending a clutch of eggs. They must have been laid during the evening. This is a pleasant surprise.

 

[jose_vogel]

I think that the male is a A. sp. "Pebas" and, as Mike said, a lateral view of the female is needed for id her.

 

[bigbird]

Hello Chris,

Any chance of some more photos of this one you have ?
Would be good to know.

Cheers Jan-kurt

 

[chris1932]

Jan,
Have you been peaking at my photobucket. I got a few good ones last night. She is hungry all the time and her attitude has changed. She will come right to the front of the tank and beg for food, once she has gotten her fill she will dart back to her cave and tend her fry.

 

[Mike Wise]

I am not happy to tell you this, but I think that you have 2 different species. In the 4th photo of the female, there is a split in Bar 6 on the caudal peduncle. It is A. cf. eunotus. The male has a wedge-shaped caudal spot, typical of A. sp. Pebas.

 

[chris1932]

Shucks! I now have a hard decision as to what to do with the fry.

 

[bigbird]

Hello Chris,

The male is a beauty and yes after you sent me the PM i did look into your great tank set up and stuff that you have. Impressive indeed, makes me jealous. Sorry that they are 2 different species, and it is indeed a hard choice with the fry, in my honest opinion there are enough morphs around already, stick to the rule one family one fry. cheers

 

[Mike Wise]

Do you have photos of the female in her bright yellow brood care dress? I would be more positive of my identification with such photos.

 

[jose_vogel]

I read a lot of times about "the split in bar 6" but I never saw (maybe I really don´t understand where and how).

Could someone explain that to me as if I were a baby?

Thanks

 

[Mike Wise]

A "split Bar" on the eunotus-like species is often hard to see except when the verical bars are very prominent - extreme agression or fright, for example. Bar 6 is the vertical bar most commonly split. Bar 6 is the next-to-last bar in front of the caudal spot. This bar usually is about 3 - 4 scales wide. Below the lateral band, the middle part of the bar has pale scales. This makes the bar appear to split. Some examples can be seen in the following books:

Linke & Staeck - A. eunotus male
Mayland & Bork - A. eunotus male
Glaser & Glaser (Aqualog SACII) - A. eunotus (S03505-3) male
Koslowski - A. sp. "Tahuayo" (p. 75, right side, 3rd photo from top); in this photo, both Bars 5 & 6 are split.
DATZ book - A. sp. "Tahuayo" (A79) - same photo as in Koslowki's book.

 

[jose_vogel]

Thanks Mike, when I return home I´ll take a look at the books you mentioned.

 

[Tom C]

This is how I use to illustrate "Split bar 6".

("Delt" = "Split" in Norwegian)

 

[jose_vogel]

Excelent, Tom

Thanks to both

 

[bigbird]

Hello Tom,

Yes very well explained and great photo as well.
cheers