TeeCee
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Thanks, Boys or Girls?Apistogramma macmasteri. All of them. Some domestic (first two pictures), some wild type, some indecisive.
He meant no idea on the sex; the process of making some of these domestic strains make sex identification more difficult.First two pictures are also A. macmasteri, but they are the red-shouldered "Gold" form. I have 3 pairs of them, so I recognized them right away.
Oh, sorry. Not in condition to sex the first two photos. But I was at the LFS today and they had two tanks of Apistogramma viejita and they looked just like macmasteri to me. I'm not sure of the difference so will have to do more investigation.He meant no idea on the sex; the process of making some of these domestic strains make sex identification more difficult.
You don't have to. It's widely known that domestic A. macmasteri are often falsely sold as A. viejita. And it's often on purpose to get more money out of cheap massproduced strains.But I was at the LFS today and they had two tanks of Apistogramma viejita and they looked just like macmasteri to me. I'm not sure of the difference so will have to do more investigation.
Please can you specify which ones you see as wild type and which you are indecisive about? It will satisfy my curiosity and help my learningApistogramma macmasteri. All of them. Some domestic (first two pictures), some wild type, some indecisive.
It’s criminal, and they shouldn’t be allowed to do it!You don't have to. It's widely known that domestic A. macmasteri are often falsely sold as A. viejita. And it's often on purpose to get more money out of cheap massproduced strains.
They technically are not allowed, because in effect it's false advertising. But nobody checks on wrong labeling in pet stores and the net worth of the damage to the individual buyer is so negligible, it's not worth taking it to court. Labeling is a general problem in stores, often this task is done by assistants with little to no experience and mainly they just copy the names in the stock lists. Once a tradename has taken foot... well, then they are stuck.It’s criminal, and they shouldn’t be allowed to do it!
Last picture. If they still have to colour up, they could be domestic, if the colouration stays that way, bascially wild type. (not wild caught!)Please can you specify which ones you see as wild type and which you are indecisive about? It will satisfy my curiosity and help my learning
The actual fault for mistaken identity is not always the LFS, either, I have seen many times that the incorrect fish arrive although ordered correctly on paper. I bought 30 mascara barbs (D. asimilis) only to find out a few days after I got home that they were rohani barbs (D. rohani). The response to the mistake is that "they were sold to us as mascara barbs".Labeling is a general problem in stores, often this task is done by assistants with little to no experience and mainly they just copy the names in the stock lists. Once a tradename has taken foot... well, then they are stuck.
That's what I meant with stock lists. It can be at any stage in the chain. Importer, Wholesale, Retail... doesn't matter really. But it happens. I have narrowed down my sources to stores that buy from decent importers and wholesale. Not only no wrong IDs since, but better variety and quality. I haven't lost a fish to a disease in a while. Only old age and accidents.The actual fault for mistaken identity is not always the LFS, either, I have seen many times that the incorrect fish arrive although ordered correctly on paper. I bought 30 mascara barbs (D. asimilis) only to find out a few days after I got home that they were rohani barbs (D. rohani). The response to the mistake is that "they were sold to us as mascara barbs".
I'm pretty sure if he admits he can't see a difference himself, he's not happy about that.The fish I saw labeled as A. viejita are definitely macmasteri to me, but shop owner says one tank of fish was sent as viejita, the other as macmasteri. His source said 'you can tell the difference by a small black dot at the caudal peduncle', but both tanks have the dot as one sees in the last picture above. The shop owner was asking me my opinion because he couldn't believe there was an actual difference. He didn't mention if he paid more for the viejita's than for the macmasteri, but I will ask when I go back.
You are spot on. He wasn't happy about it.I'm pretty sure if he admits he can't see a difference himself, he's not happy about that.