Please ID fish from Santerem and Xingu

[Peter Lovett1]

I got a box of fish form Brazil this week. Unfortunately the bag where not labled so i do not know which is which. I will call them Bag 1 and bag 2.

Bag 1 is the most interesting as it contained 4 different species

specie 1 is a aggazie type but only 2 females came so chance of spawning them.

specie 2 is trifasciata

specie 3 is a borollii type I hope to have at least one female

specie 4 i really do not know

Bag 2 contained only one spicie.

and while your about it could you confirm that this fish is a gyphyra

This fish came in on a shipment from Belem. He's a very nice looking fish and I consider myself to be very luck to have a pair. It will be sometime before they spawn the female is only about .5" and the male is only just over an 1.25".

Sorry for the quaulity of the pics.

 

[a.d.wood]

Hi Peter,

Not sure about the rest but species 4 looks a bit like the Apisto inconspicua I had.

Andrew

 

[fishgeek]

hi peter not sure from your wording , are the fish pictured all the same one?
species 4 as you say you know the others

andrew

 

[Peter Lovett1]

No all diffrent.

specie 1 bag 1 is a aggazie 90% sure

specie 2 bag 1 is trifasciata 100% sure they have even spawned

specie 3 bag 1 is a borellii 90% pic 1

speice 4 bag 1 have know idea but agree it could be inconspicua pic 2

specie 1 bag 2 have know idea pic 3

Last pic i think is gyphyra 99% sure anyway

 

[Peter Lovett1]

After doing some reading it would apear that It could also be geisleri but still do not know all the fish from bag1 are very shy and skitish.

 

[Mike Wise]

The fish in the first photo looks like A. borellii to me. I would need a better photo to ID the second fish. The third fish is a member of the caetei-complex, possibly A. cf. caetei Rotwangen/Red-cheeks. I am fairly certain that the agassizii-complex fish is not A. gephyra, but I would like to see a photo of him displaying to be absolutely sure. My guess is that it is A. cf. agassizii BBCS (Broad Black Caudal Seam) for the mouths of the southern tributaries of the lower Amazon.

The true A. gephyra is known only from the Rio Negro. Kullander's Santarém "gephyra" paratype is actually a different species: A. cf. gephyra Santarém/Curuá (see photo in SAC II p. 19 S03336-4 as "A. agassizii "SANTAREM").

 

[Peter Lovett1]

Hi just a little update on fish in photo 2 which have now spawned.

Female

Male

Would it be possible to ID the fish from these

 

[fishgeek]

whatever they are the female has some nice iridescence on all her ventral fins

 

[Peter Lovett1]

You know I never noticed but your right. She looks even better in person and she tiny less than an inch. I have to say and so does the male.

A very nice fish what ever it is.

 

[Peter Lovett1]

Would you like a pair if I raise the fry? I think this fish deserves to be made available though the hobby.

 

[Oupsy]

Hello,

Very nice female

Could this fish be an Ap. sp. "Amapa" ??

 

[Peter Lovett1]

Honestly I don't know but Ap. sp. "Amapa" look a little heavy but you never know.

It's a nice looking fish and one worth keeping.

Tomorrow I will try and get a pic of the male In threat colours it's completely different from the one in the pic. Also the photo of the male does not do him Justis.

 

[Oupsy]

Well it s most probably not a "amapa", all the pictures i see show a distinct separation between lateral band and caudal spot. Your fish doesn t show it.

 

[Peter Lovett1]

Well here is one of the male in his other coat.

Could almost be a different fish

 

[Mike Wise]

It might be A. sp. Peje from the lower Xingu. Compare it with pictures on the web & see what you think.

 

[Peter Lovett1]

Hi Mike

Does it go by anyother name no luck on the web.

 

[Peter Lovett1]

Okay I,ve found some pic and the short answer is i don't think so the body shape does not look right also there seems to be a break before the spot on the caudal peduncle which my fish do not show.

But other than that they are pretty close.

I'll try to get more pics.

 

[P.W.]

I think it´s a species from the "Commbrae complex". Look at the double tailspot.
My guess is A. inconspicua. Compare the photos in the book by Romer.

Best regards/ Per

 

[Mike Wise]

Per is close. If I counted correctly, the fish pictured has 16 dorsal spines. A. inconspicua has 15. It seems that you have A. similis.

 

[Peter Lovett1]

Mike what info can you give me on them