Not Sure what theses are need help with Id

[mematrix]

I got theses yesterday from a local LFS the Owner said the distributor called them Apistogramma Sao Gabriel
I goggled them and came up with three possible ids mendezi sao gabriel a reganii family species or Ap.sp breitbinden red cheeks
here are pics

 

[Mike Wise]

The photos are too small and the fish show too few dark markings to properly ID the fish. Sorry.

 

[mematrix]

Maybe these will help

 

[mematrix]

Bump Bump Mike here is new vid maybe will help

 

[Mike Wise]

Sorry, but the photos are still too small and the fish show too few dark markings to properly ID the fish. The video doesn't help either. The fish are out of focus. You seemed to have focused on the mirror which focused on the reflection of the room behind the tank and not the fish. Try focusing on the gravel just in front of the mirror instead. What are you taking these pictures with? Can't you produce larger photos of only the fish? If you can, just crop the fish from the overall photo.

 

[mematrix]

Sorry, but the photos are still too small and the fish show too few dark markings to properly ID the fish. The video doesn't help either. The fish are out of focus. You seemed to have focused on the mirror which focused on the reflection of the room behind the tank and not the fish. Try focusing on the gravel just in front of the mirror instead. What are you taking these pictures with? Can't you produce larger photos of only the fish? If you can, just crop the fish from the overall photo.

m taking the pictures from a camera ph and its not that great a camera i will try and see if i can crop the photos and get more pics Mike

 

[mematrix]

UpDate New Photos
Hi All I think i got better in focus pics

 

[wethumbs]

Through process of elimination, we can tell it is not mendezi or sp breitbinden, which left A53 A. sp. 'Sao Gabriel' in regain-complex.

 

[Mike Wise]

Definitely not a regani-group species. Photos still not good enough (small photo size & lack of black markings) for a decent ID.

 

[wethumbs]

I have seen these fish in person and simply not sure what they are. Their body shape is very round like a torpedo, almost looks like a 'bloated' fish. I am certain that they are not mendezi or sp breitbinden as I have kept both in the past. They kind of look like Apistogramma sp. Chao (A42). Romer gave it another name....sp. "Kinnfleck" but they don't come from Sao Gabriel Brazil.

 

[mematrix]

I have heard from other forums and groups that possibly A cf pertensis

 

[Mike Wise]

No, not A. sp. Chao, nor any of the A. cf. pertensis forms. These forms all show a distinct, separate caudal spot. Your fish do not. More likely a species of the iniridae-group.

 

[mematrix]

No, not A. sp. Chao, nor any of the A. cf. pertensis forms. These forms all show a distinct, separate caudal spot. Your fish do not. More likely a species of the iniridae-group.

thanks Mike I got pics of the male now and i think its Ap.putzer

 

[Mike Wise]

Definitely not Putzer, which has a separate caudal spot like all other members of the pertensis-group. It appears to be an iniridae-group species, most likely A. uaupesi. I can't be sure because the photos/video aren't that clear.

 

[mematrix]

Definitely not Putzer, which has a separate caudal spot like all other members of the pertensis-group. It appears to be an iniridae-group species, most likely A. uaupesi. I can't be sure because the photos/video aren't that clear.

Hi Mike i got better pics i hope of the above fish his fins are better healed

 

[aquaticclarity]

A. uaupesi! (A156) Nice find! Back in the early to mid 1990's I used to be able to get them all the time mixed in with another species of Apisto. One of my favorite fish and one that I have trouble with now when bringing them in. And they used to be so hardy!

 

[mematrix]

A. uaupesi! (A156) Nice find! Back in the early to mid 1990's I used to be able to get them all the time mixed in with another species of Apisto. One of my favorite fish and one that I have trouble with now when bringing them in. And they used to be so hardy!

Thanks Jeff yea unfortunately the early 2 i got and have posted on this thread were females that i scored and the latest pics are the male that a friend got of the last one the LFS had of same batch i got mine from just snoozed and missed out but he prommises to give me some offspring