Apistogramma juruensis? ID help

[Nick123]

Hello, I got these little guys from a local shop today. They were being sold as apistogramma juruensis, but I’m not sold on that ID. Here are some pics

Here are some photos of when I got them home

I can provide more pictures once they settle in a bit. I got 4 fish, what I think is 2 males and 2 females. Let me know what you guys think. Thank you!

 

[MacZ]

No offense, If I had been sold fish in such bad shape I'd have returned them or not bought in the first place.

I see some signs that point to the direction of something A. juruensis-like, but hard to tell. I'd now let them settle, quarantine and let their fins grow back.

 

[Apistoguy52]

Neat fish! Looks like they should land somewhere in the regani complex. The split bars that are shown in a few pics look very much like some of the eunotus type fish

 

[Nick123]

No offense, If I had been sold fish in such bad shape I'd have returned them or not bought in the first place.

I see some signs that point to the direction of something A. juruensis-like, but hard to tell. I'd now let them settle, quarantine and let their fins grow back.

Kind of the reason I wanted to buy them, give them a good home where they can heal up. Besides i love a good mystery. I’ll update with more pictures once they’ve settled in

 

[Nick123]

Neat fish! Looks like they should land somewhere in the regani complex. The split bars that are shown in a few pics look very much like some of the eunotus type fish

Someone else said eunotus, I can definitely see it

 

[Frank Hättich]

Yes it's an eunotus-subcomplex species. The mislabeling as juruensis might stem from them being imported together with A. allpahuayo which are regularly mislabeled as juruensis.

 

[MacZ]

Kind of the reason I wanted to buy them, give them a good home where they can heal up.

If you have the resources... To me it's like rewarding a retailer's bad paractices.

 

[anewbie]

In one of the pictures the gills are very red; is that normal ?

 

[MacZ]

In one of the pictures the gills are very red; is that normal ?

Could be the perspective, but they are all not in good shape.

 

[Nick123]

Here are some updated pictures with some better coloration

I have them in with a bunch of botanicals, I hope that helps their fins recover. I’ll take any other suggestions on how to get their fins to recover. As for ID, I’m thinking eunotus is probably correct, but the very optimistic side of me thinks possibly even alto tapiche just based off the red on the side of the males body?? I’d love to hear what Frank and Mike think based off these newer pictures. Thank you!

 

[Frank Hättich]

I’m thinking eunotus is probably correct, but the very optimistic side of me thinks possibly even alto tapiche just based off the red on the side of the males body?? I’d love to hear what Frank and Mike think based off these newer pictures. Thank you!

Sorry to disappoint you,, but it's not A. sp. Alto Tapiche. Some forms of A. cf. eunotus can also show such pattern of red/orange spots,

 

[Nick123]

Sorry to disappoint you,, but it's not A. sp. Alto Tapiche. Some forms of A. cf. eunotus can also show such pattern of red/orange spots,

Got it, thank you. Just out of curiosity, how are you able to tell?

 

[MacZ]

I have them in with a bunch of botanicals, I hope that helps their fins recover. I’ll take any other suggestions on how to get their fins to recover.

Waterchanges, humic substances, low conductivity, good food (maybe enriched with viramins).

 

[Frank Hättich]

Got it, thank you. Just out of curiosity, how are you able to tell?

Alto Tapiche have a distinct pattern of vertical stripes or rows of spots in the caudal fin and their red stripes usually reach farther into the rear part of the body and above the lateral band.

 

[Mike Wise]

Got it, thank you. Just out of curiosity, how are you able to tell?

A. cf. eunotus: Split in Bar 6 below lateral band (diagnostic for eunotus-subcomplex species); unpatterned caudal with orange in part (varies with form/population); blue gill cover (amount varies with form/population); orange pectoral fin base. "Red on the sides" is seen an many eunotus-complex species when collected in the wild. Sadly, it usually disappears in captivity and offspring rarely if ever show it.