Apistogramma juriennaia?

[grihan]

Hi all! I recently bought this apistogrammas, and my shop sold it as Ap. juriennaia. I know that juriennaia don´t exist, so I thought they were Juruensis or Jurua, but comparing side by side the photos of them I think my fishes are different apistogrammas. Can you help me to identify them?

 

[Apistt_ed]

ok the second picture is A. Eremnopyge (young) and the rest of the 2 pictures below it seem to look like A. sp emerald (smargd) not 100% sure. I'm not sure what the top one is... maybe Mike can help more than I. hope this helps a little.


john

 

[scott]

Apistt_ed,
are you sure about the 2nd pic? i really don't have any experience trying to id fish from photos but i do have a 20 gal tank with 3 pair of eremnopyge and there body shape seems to be different from that fish. my eremnopyge are much more long and "streamlined". also the dorsal fin looks different. i'm probably wrong but that fish doesn't look like eremnopyge to me. sorry for questioning you, i'm sure you have much more experience than me

 

[blueblue]

scott is right: the 2nd picture is definitely NOT eremnopyge.
i also have some eremnopyge myself...
(Pictures of eremnopyge can be found here:
http://my.so-net.net.tw/bigrice/new_page_17.htm )

On the other hand, it does look like the fish in the following URL:
http://my.so-net.net.tw/bigrice/new_page_27.htm

 

[Mike Wise]

There might be 2 different species here. I believe that the first photo might be of a male A. sp. Papagei/Parrot, but the photo is too poor for positive ID. The other 3 photos show a species of the cruzi-complex, most likely A. sp. Nanay sensu Koslowski (2002). Your cruzi-complex fish are obviously domestic & show a genetic defect. The ventral fins are extremely short (stunted) even for a cruzi-complex fish.

 

[grihan]

thanks for the answers...
they are supposed to be the same species,at least I bought all the five fishes as the same specie. I'll try to make better photos from the first one. It's the smallest of the five fishes I bought from a zech exporter.
Mike, the 5 apistos have the ventral fins too short

 

[esteban]

Hello Mike, I do not have just understood this of the ventral fins, ¿because happens this? I have a male of Apistogramma sp. papagei and also this happens him
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/estebanapistos/algodon/Dscn1448.jpg
and a time ago I had a male of Apistogramma eunotus "orange-tail" and its ventral fins were also very short.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/estebanapistos/eunotus/Dscn0672.jpg

as it happens to grihan these apistos were imported of the Czech republic to Spain

greetings from Spain

 

[Mike Wise]

Estaban,

This is very strange - the same deformity on 3 different species. The deformity might not be inbreeding, but environmental instead. The water might not be optimum & cause this problem. It can be determined by breed the Czech fish & seeing if the offspring develop stunted fins. If the do - & you raised them in optimum water quality - then the problem is hereditary. If not, then they are fine for breeding purposes.

 

[grihan]

I'm trying to do better photos ofthe smallest fishes...I want to know if they are a different specie. They have normal lenght of the ventral fins...

 

[esteban]

Hello Mike, I have maintained several species of this importer and only I had problems in the ventral fins with these two species.
The fact is that with the time I have observed that these fins went being extended. For which this defect could be for the quality of the water of the Czechs.
And if this is certain, ¿why affects only to the ventral fins?

thanks