Apistogramma ID help!!!

[miguelgr7]

More than 3 months ago I received this species named as Apistogramma sp. Segelflossen, I was talking to the seller but he was not sure if these fish were correct, they now have a good size to identify, I hope you will help me with the correct id.

Greetings

 

[Apistoguy52]

Are these different than Apistorgamma uaupesi?

 

[miguelgr7]

Are these different than Apistorgamma uaupesi?

Yeah, They are more like iniridae

 

[Frank Hättich]

To me the abdominal markings look different than in A. sp. Segelflossen. The latter typically show 2 rows of large dots/blotches which are mostly located on the posterior or middle part of the scales. Do you have any information on the catch location?

They are more like iniridae

Do your fish sometimes show pronounced abdominal bars as known from A. iniridae? In this case they are most likely A. sp. Blutkehl.

 

[Mike Wise]

How large are these fish? If Segelflossen, then the males haven't developed a sailfin yet.

 

[miguelgr7]

To me the abdominal markings look different than in A. sp. Segelflossen. The latter typically show 2 rows of large dots/blotches which are mostly located on the posterior or middle part of the scales. Do you have any information on the catch location?

Do your fish sometimes show pronounced abdominal bars as known from A. iniridae? In this case they are most likely A. sp. Blutkehl.

Hello @Frank_H The only information that the seller gave me is that they are from Colombia. He did not give me exact information about the river.

 

[miguelgr7]

How large are these fish? If Segelflossen, then the males haven't developed a sailfin yet.

Hello @Mike Wise the largest measure approximately 2 inches including fins

 

[Mike Wise]

My guess is that they are immature and haven't developed their sailfin - or are some other species, possibly A. lineata.

 

[miguelgr7]

My guess is that they are immature and haven't developed their sailfin - or are some other species, possibly A. lineata.

Mike then would you better recommend waiting for them to mature more and develop the fins so I can see what they are?

 

[Mike Wise]

Yes, definitely.

 

[miguelgr7]

Yes, definitely.

Ok Mike, I will come back when they are more developed, thanks for the advice

 

[miguelgr7]

Hello @Mike Wise and @Frank Hättich , I have updated photos of the largest fish and it looks more mature to be able to find an id. Could you help me define what type of Apistogram I have?

Greetings

 

[Mike Wise]

Doesn't look like Segelflossen to me.

 

[Frank Hättich]

As I said earlier, it doesn't look like Segelflossen to me either. Unfortunately, the new photos don't help me much in figuring out what it is...

 

[miguelgr7]

As I said earlier, it doesn't look like Segelflossen to me either. Unfortunately, the new photos don't help me much in figuring out what it is...

Frank then is also ruled out to be A. sp. Blutkehl? , this fish is very difficult to find the id

 

[miguelgr7]

Doesn't look like Segelflossen to me.

Ok Mike, Do you have any suspicion that it could be this fish?

 

[Frank Hättich]

Frank then is also ruled out to be A. sp. Blutkehl? , this fish is very difficult to find the id

On the photos I have seen so far they don't show such pronounced dark bars below the lateral band as known from Blutkehl and iniridae. Or do they merely show them when you don't make photos?

 

[miguelgr7]

On the photos I have seen so far they don't show such pronounced dark bars below the lateral band as known from Blutkehl and iniridae. Or do they merely show them when you don't make photos?

This fish is proving very difficult to identify

 

[Mike Wise]

To me it looks like A. uaupesi (whatever that is) from Brazil. Several apistophiles, me included, are not sure about the validity of the uaupesi-like forms. Is A. uaupesi is a superspecies like A. agassizii that includes many scientifically described/undescribed species or is it a single species with subtly different-appearing populations? We will only know for certain when genetic studies are carried out.

 

[miguelgr7]

To me it looks like A. uaupesi (whatever that is) from Brazil. Several apistophiles, me included, are not sure about the validity of the uaupesi-like forms. Is A. uaupesi is a superspecies like A. agassizii that includes many scientifically described/undescribed species or is it a single species with subtly different-appearing populations? We will only know for certain when genetic studies are carried out.

@Mike Wise It is very true what you say but this fish is from Colombia, does this change with respect to the form of uaupesi from Brazil?