Apistogramma agassizii rio Tefe????

[miguelgr7]

Hello everyone, I would like you to help me identify this wonderful fish, I bought it as Ap. Agassizii Rio Tefe but many people say that it is Ap. Sp Tefe, someone could help me identify it, thanks

 

[Mike Wise]

I'm not positive, but I think it is not from the Rio Tefé. To me it looks more like a Netz/Net form found in the lower Amazon system. A. sp. Tefé has a dark wavy line formed by dark scale edges along the lower edge of each scale. A. cf. agassizii (Netz/Net) shows dark edges all around the scale and forms a net-like pattern, often looking like the scale pattern seen on pineapples.

 

[miguelgr7]

I'm not positive, but I think it is not from the Rio Tefé. To me it looks more like a Netz/Net form found in the lower Amazon system. A. sp. Tefé has a dark wavy line formed by dark scale edges along the lower edge of each scale. A. cf. agassizii (Netz/Net) shows dark edges all around the scale and forms a net-like pattern, often looking like the scale pattern seen on pineapples.

Ok Mike, then my agassizii is cf. netz not rio tefe ??? You could confirm it, please., thanks

 

[Mike Wise]

Not yet; I would need to see photos of the male in different moods to be certain. Here is a Netz form - but in full threat display - to compare with your fish (in a neutral mood): http://www.rva.jp/zukan/apisto/ap_agassizii_alenquer.html.

 

[miguelgr7]

Not yet; I would need to see photos of the male in different moods to be certain. Here is a Netz form - but in full threat display - to compare with your fish (in a neutral mood): http://www.rva.jp/zukan/apisto/ap_agassizii_alenquer.html.

Hello Mike, I have more photos with the female here

 

[miguelgr7]

Mike, I hope these photos can help more, thanks for your help.

 

[miguelgr7]

A video

 

[Mike Wise]

Am I correct that these are domestic-bred fish? I ask because the scales on the caudal peduncle appear deformed. This usually is seen on hybrid species. It's possible that you have a cross between A. sp. Tefé and one of the geographic forms/species of A. agassizii. Try to photograph the male displaying to a mirror outside of the aquarium. Females of A. sp. Tefé and most geographic forms/species of A. agassizii are so similar that I cannot separate them.

 

[miguelgr7]

Am I correct that these are domestic-bred fish? I ask because the scales on the caudal peduncle appear deformed. This usually is seen on hybrid species. It's possible that you have a cross between A. sp. Tefé and one of the geographic forms/species of A. agassizii. Try to photograph the male displaying to a mirror outside of the aquarium. Females of A. sp. Tefé and most geographic forms/species of A. agassizii are so similar that I cannot separate them.

Ok Mike, I will to tske photos with mirror, thanks

 

[miguelgr7]

Hello Mike, I would like you to see how he looks in front of a mirror, I also wanted to tell you that this agassizii is F1 and was sold as sp, Tefe but the person who bought it requested help others to identify it then they said it was a agassizii from the river tefe, he sold it to me like agassizii rio tefe, the original seller He is from Thailand and his name is Mrarmadillo_thailand, thanks for your help

 

[Mike Wise]

It doesn't look like a Tefé fish to me; more like A. cf. agassizii (Netz) - which on several occasions in the past was sold as a Tefé form. I would be more comfortable with my ID if the fish were older. The Netz form develops extremely long tips on the dorsal and anal fins, compared to A. sp. Tefé, and also develops a short narrow, almost streamer-like caudal tip.

 

[miguelgr7]

It doesn't look like a Tefé fish to me; more like A. cf. agassizii (Netz) - which on several occasions in the past was sold as a Tefé form. I would be more comfortable with my ID if the fish were older. The Netz form develops extremely long tips on the dorsal and anal fins, compared to A. sp. Tefé, and also develops a short narrow, almost streamer-like caudal tip.

Thanks for the info and your help Mike.