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I got some when my Rams were breeding, but the fry perished before the pack arrived I have well rotten down Indian almond leaves in the tank, and some just added, and plenty of live plant cover for them. Just got to remember where I put my pack. Thanks for the heads up To add to my excitement, my Kribs after just a week, have not only laid eggs, but moved them as they've now hatched and are at the next stage.