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Apisto Eunotus

Discussion in 'Apistogramma' started by pastry, Sep 29, 2019.

  1. pastry

    pastry New Member

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    Hopefully getting a new cell phone this week so I can take some good pictures. I have two pairs of Apisto Eunotus in my 150 gallon discus tank and one pair has already spawned twice. About a dozen from the first spawn have survived on their own and the second batch has about half a dozen. I've read on this form as well as on the internet all sorts of things with these fish. I have read that males spawn with multiple females, males usually spawn with only one, only females raise the little ones, both parents raise little ones... whatever it may be, I have noticed that my pear has stayed together away from the other two fish and while the female does most of the duties raising the little ones, she somewhat permits the male to hang around and at times watch the kiddos briefly while she goes and grabs a quick bite to eat.

    I may have more little ones in my tank then I realize because it is heavily planted and has tons of driftwood. Unsure if anyone ever seeks some but would definitely be interested to know. I do understand that this species varies drastically in looks. Again, I'll try to take a picture of the actual pair but I will say that both males that I have look very different. Even the females are noticeably different.

    Originally I wanted Panduras but the breeder was out of them at the time. I was inpatient so I settled for the eunotus although I thought they were sort of bland from the pictures on the internet. I actually love the variety of them and really love their personality and temperament.
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    Wow. Very interesting. Where are you located?
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    Mike Wise Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    The 'type' A. eunotus hasn't been in the hobby since the late 1980s. What is now sold as "A. eunotus" includes several different forms/populations/species. Eunotus-complex species tend to be what I call 'casually polygamous'. A male will generally have one female in its territory if there are several other males and females in the tank. If there are more females than males with territories then the male will keep several female brood territories in his territory and breed with them all. Males are generally not allowed really close to fry (within 4"/10cm), but if there are no potential fry predators in a tank females may become more relaxed with a male coming closer to the brood.
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    pastry New Member

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    I'm located in Charleston, SC. Sorry for no pics yet. I received my new phone but haven't switched yet due to death in family. (My wife's grandfather... which is Wierd to me since I don't know anyone left our age with a grandparent... So I haven't yet asked her to help switch phone over... and yes, I was too lazy to figure it out! Sorry!).

    To be honest, I'm not sure if second female is a female. Might be subordinate male. But non-spawning male does not harass her and allows her to be on his side of the tank. The actual spawning female is usually pretty protective of her spawn even against the spawning male but at about 1 week of free swimming, she allows him closer and closer.
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    pastry New Member

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    pastry New Member

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    pastry New Member

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    Here are a few more pictures. A few with the mom in her golden dress. If you look towards the bottom you might see two of the little lines from the first spawn. 20191006_133913.jpg 20191006_134036.jpg 20191006_133913.jpg 20191006_134036.jpg 20191006_132917.jpg
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    pastry New Member

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    I don't post much on this form but seriously, you guys are pretty darn nice. Thanks for the likes. I've never experienced that on a forum. I usually post on The discus Forum but I usually have to be very careful... and there is no option to like!

    Meanwhile, I really do think there are a lot more little ones from the first spawn. When changing the water yesterday I accidentally netted a few out when trying to weed out the exploding cherry shrimp situation. I only went at shrimp that were at the very top of the water and usually I see the little eunotus towards the bottom with only a few times seeing them in the middle water column.
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    Frank_H Active Member 5 Year Member

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    I have strong doubts about all your fish being a form of A. cf. eunotus. Especially the male in the second and second last photo looks different. It MIGHT be A. paulmuelleri or something closely related. But this is merely a wild guess. To be more certain, better photos would be needed. Preferably of the fish in side-view showing some of it's black markings, especially lateral band, caudal spot and abdominal markings.
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    pastry New Member

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    Frank, I'm all ears! I will try to get better photos. Meanwhile, the last two pictures are of the same male. The Male in this picture looks so much bigger, fatter, and the shape of the head is very different. I will get better pictures of each soon and post them.
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