Apistogramma Borellii or is it?..

[Stijn1191]

Hi all,
I've been sold these 2 female borellii's together and bought the male separately. The females are both around 5 cm and the male about 3.5cm.
I'm pretty sure the male is indeed a borellii and the yellow-ish female a borellii as well. But one of the females has red and orange tints seems another sort, because i haven't seen other borelliis online with red tints. Furthermore she gets hunted (a bit) by the yellow female. The male always shows his fluorscent blue colors and the female goes like a cameleon from dark to yellow in no-time. Especially when she hunts the other female or shows off to the male..

Big thanks in advance by ID'ing these!
Anyway, my question is: are all of these really Borellii's because i have my doubts.
Photos say more than words so here we go (sorry about the blurriness! If you need more photos please let me know):
The yellow female

The male:

The red-ish female:

 

[Frank Hättich]

Your male is A. borellii but your females are not. They look like a macmasteri-group species. My guess would be A. hongsloi or something closely related.

 

[MacZ]

I also doubt these two are females. At least one of them has quite long fins.

 

[Stijn1191]

Aah crap. Thanks for the information. At least both "females" leave the male borellii alone. I thought the black in the pelvic fin indicated that theyre females and both have that

 

[Mike Wise]

A. borellii is easily identified by its lateral band. This band has zigzag borders and (usually) only visible on the posterior half of the body.

 

[Stijn1191]

Thanks everyone. I guess i need another tank so i got a hongsloi harem and borellii couple

 

[anewbie]

Those females just don't look right for hongsloi. I'm not very good at identifying the females but something about them bother me. I do have hongsloi but the photograph messes with contrast. I think it is the marking on the top that are throwing me off. Btw I'm pretty happy with my hongsloi n their behavior but the male can be a bit aggressive at times esp torwards the females that are not ready to breed. However in a 29 there seems to be plenty of room for the females to leave his 'territory'.

 

[Frank Hättich]

Those females just don't look right for hongsloi. I'm not very good at identifying the females but something about them bother me. I do have hongsloi but the photograph messes with contrast. I think it is the marking on the top that are throwing me off.

Do you mean these markings?

If so, it's the dorsal spots (which sometimes can merge more or less into a continous dorsal band). They are found in all macmasteri-group species, e.g. see here: Description of the Apistogramma-macmasteri-Group

 

[anewbie]

Do you mean these markings?

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If so, it's the dorsal spots (which sometimes can merge more or less into a continous dorsal band). They are found in all macmasteri-group species, e.g. see here: Description of the Apistogramma-macmasteri-Group

Yea I took a close look at my female when she came to the front to eat this morning and she does have them they just aren't as pronounced so they never really stood out. She is also a lot less orange (of course she turns yellow when breeding); but that might just be the contrast or colour variation. I guess otherwise she is pretty similar. Thanks for the follow up and details.