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mixmixi

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Hi these are from a friend of mine from Colombia. He wants to find out what species are they? I'm guessing the last one is A. Megaptera? But not sure of the other ones? Maybe the first one is A. cf. personata? Can anyone help please?
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Frank Hättich

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The last one is A. piaroa (definitely not megaptera, because of the dorsal fin with nearly all the spines elongated). My guess for the other two is A. personata.
 

Mike Wise

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Definitely close to A. personata from the Rio Uaupés (top 2 photos). I'd call them "A. cf. personata" with a location name if these are some of Daniel's fish. He's collected similar specimens from several locations in Colombia recently.
 

mixmixi

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Thanks Mike I agree the first one could be A. cf. personata but is the second fish same as the first one? They're not daniel's but another Colombian collector. He said he collected these in Rio iniridae.
 

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I should have looked at the name on the first photo. Hernando has been sending us photos of brevis-group species from the Vaupes and Inirida of Colombia for several years now. As I wrote above: "I'd call them "A. cf. personata" with a location name ...". Both of the 2 top photos show specimens closely related to A. personata. Whether or not they are the same species as A. personata - or even 1 or 2 completely different species - really depends on who you ask. A lumper would consider them all A. personata. A splitter would consider them all separate species if they come from different river systems. Me? I prefer to go the middle road and use 'A. cf. personata' for the Vaupes specimens found near Mitú, Colombia by both Werner in the early 1990s and, recently, by both Danial and Hernando as well as Hernando's Inirida fish. The question you didn't ask, "Would you mix them?" No, personally I wouldn't. But then I don't even mix populations of any apisto species. But that's just me.
 

mixmixi

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Very complete explanation and good you know Hernando without even needing to name him, lol. You're right about not mixing them as these two might be from same family but look greatly different tbh. It's more the two known forms of allpahuayo which shouldn't be mixed. I've never seen any of these in the UK so will keep my fingers crossed. I'm guessing there're not many people knowing about them around, especially when it comes to the females of each population...
 

mixmixi

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Oh wow! Did you manage to get these back with you Tom and is the lucky Viking going to get a hold of these? :)
 

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